The "Media" and why we should no longer believe it/them

Discussion in 'Chat' started by W5HRO, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    You know, with all the recent events about the Media and Trump, etc. none of it is really that surprising. Most of the time the Media or the news organizations in general are simply just biased and full of shit. I'm not saying Trump is right, but if you look at what's happened over the past 3 decades along with the fact they had this last election outcome so wrong due to their bias it shouldn't surprise anyone.

    It all started back in 1980 when CNN came on the scene and turned the 3 main network news organizations upside down. Before that those 3 main networks were pretty decent and they always made sure the news they broadcasted and reported was accurate. If they made a mistake they would admit it in an instant and correct that mistake. That is no longer the case and the days of credible people like Walter Cronkite for example are long gone. If you think about it, that was back before CNN, the Internet, and basically before any real-time news reporting capability. When CNN began and started changing the way the game was played big corporations swooped in and took control of the networks and those news organizations. They slowly turned those new organizations into a business and ratings started becoming more important than being non-biased and accurate. It's now nothing more than entertainment.

    So as a result what we have today is a Media that is more concerned about ratings and beating out the other guy. Forget the fact they are often so biased they report news based on that bias. They now often make themselves and much of the public believe in something for a long while which results in getting a presidential election completely wrong for example. Much of the time what they report is either made up news or they take part of a real news story, twist it around, and just turn it into something else more exciting. The bottom line is we can no longer believe about 75% of what we watch and hear today on TV from any of the news organizations. We especially cannot believe what we read and hear about on the Internet. Probably around 90% of what we get from the web is complete B.S. so it's even worse. People just make stuff up here on the Internet and it's mostly all opinion.

    Anyway, I think the point and what has been lost is the Media's credibility. The Media no longer has any credibility left or it has been severely damaged to say the very least and is possibly beyond repair. The way I see it we can no longer trust and believe what we are told. Before 1980, news organizations had time to pick and prepare what they reported on to insure they were legitimate and worthwhile news stories because those events had already happened earlier in the day, etc. There wasn't the pressure of real-time reporting then so now they just report everything that happens on the spot whether it's valid or not and make stuff up in the process.
  2. WQ5Q

    WQ5Q Member

    I stopped watching the TV news during the Rodney King riots when I lived in the LA area. Now I continue this tradition of not watching the news because I don't trust the mainstream media when it comes to politics. But I still vote! There should be some better sources for news out there but I don't know who they are. I would imagine a lot of people would like an alternative they could trust.
  3. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Now you are just showing your age :mrgreen:

    A big part of it like I said, is today they report news on the spot which usually means they never get the facts correct because they don't have time to check. A good example is in another recent topic where Mike, K4TQF saw we had some flooding here in San Jose. What happened is they had to release water out of another reservoir that was also getting too high due to all of the rain and after enough time passed Coyote Creek overflowed and backed up the sewer system, etc. That's very far from my house and it was contained to a small area and they did have to shut down part of hwy 101 for several hours. However, if you looked around the web or watched the TV news and even our local Bay Area news the actual number of people they had to evacuate was all over the place. Some said 50,000, another said 100,000, but the actual number was less than 5,000. They make up facts and by doing so it usually snowballs into something much bigger. That's the problem and is what happens with most news stories today. By the time it gets around only a very small fraction of the original story is even accurate anymore.

    Anyway, I think it was better back in the days before CNN when the news we received had already happened and after they had time to get the facts straight before reporting it. Today it's become instant news with a made up twist almost every time. It's nothing more than just entertainment now and is no longer accurate.
  4. W8EJO

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  5. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Excellent discussion! I love it!

    The bottom line is LBJ was a dumbass and so was JFK. The Vietnam war was solely JFK's war and LBJ should have had the sense enough to pull out A.S.A.P. as soon as he took over. Unfortunately, LBJ was a chicken shit and yeilded to political pressure so he didn't do it. As a result, it completely ruined his legacy and it led to the hippie movement of the 1960's. It‘s the very reason why we have this socialist problem out here in California today. It’s LBJ’s fault. It's all because when JFK went to France with his wife he was overwhelmed as just couldn't say no and that was the mistake. Just like when he went to Russia he was also overwhelmed as well. If you really want to blame somebody though then blame Jackie Kennedy.

    I’m sorry, but Walter Cronkite was a hero to the America people. He came from a time when the Media reported news that mattered and that everyone trusted. He told it like it really was.
  6. W8EJO

    W8EJO Member

    Sorry but this is patently not true. He was a Dem, hanging with Dems on Marthas vineyard all summer long. Check his "reportage" on Teddy's homicide of Mary Jo. Total happy horse shit.
  7. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Do you dispute what I said before my last sentence or not?

    This is exactly the reason why former Democrats like myself now vote differently so quit side-stepping the issue. It’s exactly the reason why Trump won. In my opinion what you said is just typical old school ignorant Republican nonsense that will no longer fly.
  8. W8EJO

    W8EJO Member

    If your referring to this sentence "He came from a time when the Media reported news that mattered and that everyone trusted. "

    I agree that most, but certainly not "everyone" trusted the MSM. After all most Americans got their "news" from either Cronkite, Huntley/Brinkley or whoever ABC put out there (Reasoner, Smith, etc). There were no other alternatives. But please don't suggest that they were giving you "straight" news. They were all Dems & it was totally biased.
  9. W5HRO

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    Certainty, there was some bias back then, but not to the extent of the bias we have today. Back then they were trying to portray LBJ as the bad guy in favor of RFK for example, but in reality it was his brothers fault, JFK. Unfortunately, that was over-showed by the events of the time so LBJ became the fall guy and he was the one who was ultimately blamed in the end.

    So, the media like Cronkite was on JFK’s and RFK’s side, even though they were the ones who were responsible. The issue is the credit (blame) has never been given to the right individuals, but in the end, they did manage to wake up the American people. It was a different time, but today there is just no excuse for it at all.
  10. W8EJO

    W8EJO Member

    True. They were neighbors on Martha's Vineyard & BFF'S so nary a discouraging word would ever be uttered by Walter et al.

    But read this book if you get a chance. It's by our new National Security Advisor:
  11. W5HRO

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    It all goes back to the mistakes that were made towards the end of WWII which led to the cold war with Russia. That's the real culprit. Everything else that followed after was a direct result of those mistakes.

    At least back in the 1960' s and 1970's we had credible news reporting from the major networks and people like Cronkite were legitimate and well trusted individuals who reported the news accurately. There was and always will be some bias that went and goes along with that, but today it's been taken to a whole new level. Today the bias is so strong and the reporting so sloppy without any peer review or getting the facts straight first that it's become a real danger to our way of life. Too many people live in a dream world today because they don’t know how to separate fact from fiction.
  12. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Socialist Berkeley, Scum of the Earth...

    In day of pro-Trump rallies, California march turns violent

    Little by little people are starting to realize who the problem really is. What started as peaceful support for the President quickly turned violent when they started getting attacked by the left-wing socialist scumbags in Berkeley. It's like what's wrong with this picture? Maybe if they keep showing enough of this shit on TV and what they are doing everyone will finally wake up like they did with the Vietnam war if the Media's bias doesn't try to cover it up which it probably will.

    Either that or Civil War II will get started sometime in the near future...


    And some believe it has already started...

    It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.

    In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

    This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents' offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.

    There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.

    Liberalism -- which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism -- is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don't call themselves conservative.

    The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism.

    Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation.

    Just as in Western Europe, the left in America seeks to erase America's Judeo-Christian foundations. The melting pot is regarded as nothing more than an anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic meme. The left suppresses free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech "hate speech." To cite only one example, if you think Shakespeare is the greatest playwright or Bach is the greatest composer, you are a proponent of dead white European males and therefore racist.

    Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? Obviously, there cannot.

    There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.

    How are those of us who oppose left-wing nihilism -- there is no other word for an ideology that holds Western civilization and America's core values in contempt -- supposed to unite with "educators" who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students "boys" and "girls" because that implies gender identity? With English departments that don't require reading Shakespeare in order to receive a degree in English? With those who regard virtually every war America has fought as imperialist and immoral? With those who regard the free market as a form of oppression? With those who want the state to control as much of American life as possible? With those who repeatedly tell America and its black minority that the greatest problems afflicting black Americans are caused by white racism, "white privilege" and "systemic racism"? With those who think that the nuclear family ideal is inherently misogynistic and homophobic? With those who hold that Israel is the villain in the Middle East? With those who claim that the term "Islamic terrorist" is an expression of religious bigotry?

    The third significant difference between the First and Second Civil Wars is that in the Second Civil war, one side has been doing nearly all the fighting. That is how it has been able to take over schools -- from elementary schools, to high schools, to universities -- and indoctrinate America's young people; how it has taken over nearly all the news media; and how it has taken over entertainment media.

    The conservative side has lost on every one of these fronts because it has rarely fought back with anything near the ferocity with which the left fights. Name a Republican politician who has run against the left as opposed to running solely against his or her Democratic opponent. And nearly all American conservatives, people who are proud of America and affirm its basic tenets, readily send their children to schools that indoctrinate their children against everything the parents hold precious. A mere handful protest when their child's teacher ceases calling their son a boy or their daughter a girl, or makes "slave owner" the defining characteristic of the Founding Fathers.

    With the defeat of the left in the last presidential election, the defeat of the left in two-thirds of the gubernatorial elections and the defeat of the left in a majority of House and Senate elections, this is likely the last chance liberals, conservatives and the right have to defeat the American left. But it will not happen until these groups understand that we are fighting for the survival of America no less than the Union troops were in the First Civil War.
  13. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Here is another perfect example of why not to believe the bullshit you get from the media.

    As I stated in another topic a while back, do not believe anything that is published by the Huffington Post.

    The bottom line is this left-wing shit has no political leverage right now so all they can do is make stuff up via the press like the Russian ties nonsense.

    It's bullshit America, so wake the fuck up! Look at who is really on Putin's side.

  14. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    I have a perfect example of why no American should continue to believe the Media today.

    I very seldom post (comment) on news articles on the web, but I do it occasionally every now and then. There is a current video on Yahoo that says, "Do liberals agree with putting 'America First'?" I decided to post the comment below and it kept getting deleted. Then it told me to read the guidelines. Well, what I posted does not violate any of their guidelines, but they keep deleting it, so what does that tell you?

    Below is what I posted...

    Here is the real problem, too many American’s have the definition wrong of what a “Liberal” is. There are no longer any “Liberals” left within the Democratic Party. “Liberals” have all moved to the right and are mostly Republican now. The Democratic Party has moved to the far left and is now the Socialist Party. They are Anti-American and opposed to every one of the core principles of liberalism. The Democrats are no longer “Liberal”. Harry Truman was a “Liberal”, but those days are long gone and liberalism has now affixed itself mostly on the right.

    I basically posted the truth, but because Yahoo is so biased and has itself affixed to the far left they suppress free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech "hate speech."

    Everyone needs to wake up before it's too late.
  15. W8EJO

    W8EJO Member


    The Democratic party has been drifting (actually sprinting lately) leftward my entire adult life. The policies of JFK were much closer to Reagan's than to Obama/Hillary.

    Reagan & Kennedy were both pro business tax cutters who were staunch anti-commies. Obama & Hillary declared war on American business. Both are anti military & very weak on national defense.
  16. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    What's funny is the Kennedys were good friends with Joseph McCarthy and were very anti-socialist / anti-communist. Why do you think Oswald hated JFK? They worked together with McCarthy in the beginning until Bobby Kennedy later changed his tune due to the political and social pressures that started surrounding them at the time.

    Didn’t Trump say something against Joseph McCarthy during his recent address to congress? That was either another one of his stupid not knowing the facts first comments or he was just going along with the same political flow that Bobby Kennedy eventually succumbed to.
  17. WQ5Q

    WQ5Q Member

    Dennis Prager really sees it like it is....the country is so polarized, but it's not that most people have moved far right and far left....a portion of the country has moved far left, the others are more or less the same. In the 1930's Germany had far right and far left....national socialists and opposing them were left wing socialists and communists....but all totalitarian in terms of how their forms of government would eventually rule. This will be the same end game in America---totalitarianism. The danger is that the leftists in the US are increasingly using communist-Marxist style tactics to get their way by any means possible. Here's a possible scenario: If the violence escalates past a certain point, the police will be overwhelmed and unable to cope with it. The big cities are most vulnerable where the majority of leftists reside. At some point, the state and federal governments will have to intervene. Whether they will or not will depend on whether an American or a Leftist is in power. Ordinary citizens who are armed and have sufficient ammunition may have to form neighborhood defenses. Adequate organization and communications will be essential. Ham radio will be needed. The other scenario and perhaps most likely is that a steadily increasing number of people move to the left to where the leftists control the government --- it's a war of ideas and principles and the leftists are in the schools and the universities subverting young minds who later become voters.
  18. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Here we go again, god dam socialist fucking scumbags!

    Fights erupt at pro-Trump rally on California beach

    By Patrick T. Fallon

    HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. (Reuters) - Supporters of President Donald Trump holding a rally on a popular southern California beach clashed with counter-protesters on Saturday and four people were arrested, law enforcement said.

    Multiple fights broke out and at least one Trump supporter was doused with pepper spray when pro-Trump demonstrators marching along Bolsa Chica State Beach encountered a small group opposed to the Republican president who had gathered to denounce the rally.

    Slideshow: Violence erupts at pro-Trump rally on California beach >>>

    Four counter-protesters were arrested, three for illegal use of pepper spray and one for assault and battery, Kevin Pearsall, a spokesman for the California State Parks Police said on Saturday evening.

    The fights appeared to start in the early afternoon when around a dozen anti-Trump protesters dressed in all black refused to move from a bike path to allow a larger group of pro-Trump supporters taking part in the Make America Great Again rally to pass. The confrontation escalated into a fight with more skirmishes quickly breaking out.

    At least one person was pepper-sprayed by an anti-Trump protester, Pearsall said. Park police estimated that 2,000 Trump supporters flocked to the stretch of coastline located south of the ocean-side community of Huntington Beach. Around 20 counter-protesters attended, Pearsall said.

    Known as Surf City, U.S.A., Huntington Beach is located some 40 miles (64 km) south of Los Angeles.

    Video footage from social media uploaded to the Los Angeles Times' website showed a chaotic scene with men fighting in the sand and a group of around 20 Trump supporters, some carrying Trump flags, chasing a man in a black mask away from the beach and on to a freeway. The man was stopped by members of the California Highway Patrol, the newspaper said.

    The masked man had used pepper spray on a female rally organizer and was set upon by a group of Trump supporters, the newspaper reported.

    Demonstrations denouncing the Trump administration have drawn hundreds of thousands since he took office in January. Smaller rallies have been staged across the country in support of Trump.

    On Saturday, Trump praised his supporters.

    "Thanks you for all of the Trump Rallies today. Amazing support. We will all MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" He said in a message on Twitter.
  19. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    This stuff just keeps getting worse and worse and I don’t see anyway the inevitable is not going to eventually happen. The left is completely out of control now. It will more than likely get to the point to where some type of forceful action against them will be necessary. Either Civil War II or going into the problem cities and declaring Marshal Law.

  20. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    The left just keeps digging their hole deeper and deeper and they are starting to completely lose their minds and all sense of reality. CNN and the other severely biased news networks have been bashing Trump Jr. for meeting with the Russian entertainer and that lawyer saying he committed treason, etc. They are just going nutz to where it’s becoming so obvious to everyone how biased and insane they really are. They are starting to rant a rave about everything due to their desperation and stupidity. They are self-destructing and losing all credibility right before our very eyes. Today the news has come out that the Obama administration granted that Russian attorney who met with Trump Jr. last June a special type of “parole” to be in the United States after she initially was denied a visa.

    All Americans need to wake up and realize what these wacko news networks are trying to do and why. Don’t believe anything you hear from CNN or NBC. This shit is getting to be really unbelievable and it’s becoming down-right hilarious. They keep throwing boomerangs that are coming back and hitting them squarely in the face :lol:
  21. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Wow, this shit is already getting deep! Watch out left, when you fully wake up the sleeping core base of America you won't be able to stop it. Keep trying to make it seem like everything is the other way around and it’s the right’s fault when in reality it is you on the left. Hitler's game book was the National Socialist Party (Nazi Party) and is what the democratic party is slowly becoming. Liberals are currently moving to the right because of it. When it eventually hits the fan you will be the ones who perish, just like Hitler and the Nazi’s did.

  22. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Here's another thing that just happened recently. A crazy idiot drove a car into a crowd of people and ran them over in Charlottesville’s Virginia at a 'Unite the Right' rally. This is exactly what is leading to Civil War II. It’s inevitable. These left-wing socialist scum for human beings are making it happen.

  23. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Beautiful response today! I love the part where he says what will it be next, the statute of George Washington or Tomas Jefferson coming down? They were slave owners. Anyone else would have just caved to the political correctness pressure and not come out a said that the alt-left was just as much to blame if not more so.

  24. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    I wonder what's going to happen this time? Sooner or later there will be a mass killing as this shit continues to escalate. I can see those socialist scumbags protesting and marching down a street somewhere and then all of a sudden being laid down when a bunch guys who are fed-up pop-out with AR-15's or something and kill hundreds of them at once. Then how will the media and everyone react? I don’t see any of this going away or getting better anytime soon. I think the inevitable will eventually happen.

  25. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    These left-wing socialist scumbags for human beings needed to be eliminated. They are just filthy anti-American pieces of human of trash. They are the actual Nazi's and not the people they seem to hate so much. They have it completely backwards.