Oprah Winfrey for president

Discussion in 'Chat' started by W6MQI, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. W6MQI

    W6MQI Member

    "O" Oprah O please lead us to the promise land take us from this tyrant Donald J. Trump.
    Oprah 2020!

  2. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    If the economy stays good like it is now and nothing major happens then there is no way Trump will lose unless the Dems are seriously able to mobilize their base in some of the key states like they did in that last election in Alabama. That would be what would do it no matter who is running against him. If Trump doesn’t win those key swing areas again he will lose. That’s what it all boils down to. If he wins again he will still be threading the needle so nothing much can change from the way it was before.

    My personal opinion is Trump will probably win again, but the Dems will gain back control of the Senate, but not the house after the midterms this coming November first. So nothing will happen or get done after November and Trump will be a lame duck for his entire 2nd term which is what usually happens. People are fickle and will most always vote the sitting president back in for a second term providing the economy is still good regardless of whatever else is going on. Anyway, they have from now until November to get more done before it all comes to a halt for the next 6 years.
  3. NewWave

    NewWave Member

    As I experience it from a distance ...

    In my opinion Trump is not suitable as president with his statements, but he is the only one who keeps his word, he is there for the "normal" man and that is noticed by the economy that is still rising.
    Otherwise it would have been when Clinton had been in the White House, in my view it was her only to pick up her ego and to continue Obama's policies so that she could sit back in the chair for 4 years.
    The smile I saw on Clinton's face during the elections was in my view unreal and fake. In the speeches she gave, nothing new came forward... All in all, the Obama policy would progress.
    Trump's immigration policy is, in my view, good, there must be an end to the flows from other countries, just as we have here from South Africa and other banana republics.

    Sadam Husein once said to a Western journalist: "When you are going to interfere with us ... Then you put your head in a wasp nest."

    He was right .. But one Texas cowboy Bush (USA) and Blair the ass lard of Thatcher (GB) knew it for sure ... With the result of the misery we now have here !!
    These two bandits have made the start of all the misery that has changed the world in recent decades, think of 9/11, Isis, all Muslim attacks in Europe, etc ... All these incidents are indirectly due to the decision of these two leaders by as the first to invade Iraq !!

    Germany has a lot to make due to the WW2 and wants to get rid of this bad image and in the beginning opened the borders for anyone who wanted to come, with the result that there are now a lot of nationalities living, also in a small village here just over the border where a lot of foreigners live. the hatred among the Germans against foreigners is increasing rapidly.
    I live 3 KM from the border, fortunately on the Dutch side .. I do not want to live in Germany for even less gold, even though I got a free big house with a fat German SUV at the door .. Also because the real German mentality stiff and do not know humor at all. which is at odds with our mentality here in Holland.

    All World leaders look to Russia when Putin announces a change that is always wrong in Western eyes.
    I say in my turn, first look in your own kitchen !!

    I traveled to Russia and China several times, and stay there for a longer time.
    In my experience, respect and honor for the country was greatest in these countries.
    A train of thought that is not wrong.

    But as I said, it is as I experienced it in the past decades.:icon_eh:
  4. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    I disagree with that statement 100%. What so many people here in the U.S. and around the world have failed to realize is that our liberties and freedom here have been under attack for a while and it was starting to get really bad. We are currently at war with about a 4th of the country. The reason Trump won the election is simply because he was not politically correct and it was like a breath of fresh air. People have the right to say and do what they want without socialist mother fucking scumbags telling them why they cannot and then passing laws and regulations that prohibit it. And that goes for all the California, Oregon, Washington and New York socialist democrats, right-wing religious backwater republican jerkoffs from bible belt, scum sucking socialist Germany, scum sucking communist China, and whomever else in whatever shit-hole country they are in has a problem with it.


    The bottom line is Socialists are scum, Communists are scum, Liberals are scum and Conservatives are scum. They are all pea-brains from the same pod.
  5. NewWave

    NewWave Member

    Everyone has their own opinion about how a country is governed.
    Of course you know much better than I know how it is in the USA.
    the deocrats have, in my view, sought too much connection with the past priests under Obama, which I also do not like.
    Every country has its own culture and habits and can not be compared with each other.
    I get annoyed again and again over countries like the Netherlands, which in many cases takes the USA as an example, Germany is one of them to. Every day you hear on the radio or TV that something needs to be changed again, because ... in the USA it is also done this way ... so, we also have to do that! I hate this hypocritical position !!

    Recently I saw a broadcast about the USA regarding the payment of the health insurance premium for people with less income. They are not able to be treated for serious matters because they can not pay for the care. The Obama care plan is a fars and does not matter for this group ...
    I saw a volunteer (nurse) driving around with a big bus to give this group of people free care ... And this country called USA is seen here as an example in Europe ... I can not understand it ..

    I have sent the broadcaster an e-mail and asked if this also serves as an example for Europe, but I did not receive an answer.

    Here in Holland and many other country's in Europe.. Everyone who needs care receives care that he / she needs, even though this man / woman does not have the money to pay it ... Free so !!

    There are also countries where you have to sell your house to pay the hospital bill.
    I would not want to live in such a country ..
  6. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    I'm pretty much a Libertarian today in my older age. I don't agree 100% with everything listed below, but I do with most of it. The deal with Trump is that his presidency was just necessary. I don't agree with a lot of what he's doing, but something had to be done to try and stop the attack on our liberties and freedom by the far left. It was getting so far out of control that something drastic had to happen. Well, Trump was that something drastic.


    As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

    We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

    Consequently, we defend each person’s right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

    In the following pages we have set forth our basic principles and enumerated various policy stands derived from those principles.

    These specific policies are not our goal, however. Our goal is nothing more nor less than a world set free in our lifetime, and it is to this end that we take these stands.


    We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

    We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

    Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.

    We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life—accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action—accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property—accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.

    Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.

    Note: The Statement of Principles was approved at the Convention in Dallas in 1974.

    1.0 Personal Liberty

    Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and must accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Our support of an individual’s right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government.

    1.1 Self-Ownership

    Individuals own their bodies and have rights over them that other individuals, groups, and governments may not violate. Individuals have the freedom and responsibility to decide what they knowingly and voluntarily consume, and what risks they accept to their own health, finances, safety, or life.

    1.2 Expression and Communication

    We support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation or control of communications media and technology. We favor the freedom to engage in or abstain from any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. We oppose government actions which either aid or attack any religion.

    1.3 Privacy

    Libertarians advocate individual privacy and government transparency. We are committed to ending government’s practice of spying on everyone. We support the rights recognized by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, property, and communications. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure should include records held by third parties, such as email, medical, and library records.

    1.4 Personal Relationships

    Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

    1.5 Abortion

    Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

    1.6 Parental Rights

    Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs. This statement shall not be construed to condone child abuse or neglect.

    1.7 Crime and Justice

    The prescribed role of government is to protect the rights of every individual including the right to life, liberty and property. Criminal laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Therefore, we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. The constitutional rights of the criminally accused, including due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must be preserved. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.

    1.8 Death Penalty

    We oppose the administration of the death penalty by the state.

    1.9 Self-Defense

    The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

    2.0 Economic Liberty

    Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

    2.1 Property and Contract

    As respect for property rights is fundamental to maintaining a free and prosperous society, it follows that the freedom to contract to obtain, retain, profit from, manage, or dispose of one’s property must also be upheld. Libertarians would free property owners from government restrictions on their rights to control and enjoy their property, as long as their choices do not harm or infringe on the rights of others. Eminent domain, civil asset forfeiture, governmental limits on profits, governmental production mandates, and governmental controls on prices of goods and services (including wages, rents, and interest) are abridgements of such fundamental rights. For voluntary dealings among private entities, parties should be free to choose with whom they trade and set whatever trade terms are mutually agreeable.

    2.2 Environment

    Competitive free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Governments are unaccountable for damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights and responsibilities regarding resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Where damages can be proven and quantified in a court of law, restitution to the injured parties must be required.

    2.3 Energy and Resources

    While energy is needed to fuel a modern society, government should not be subsidizing any particular form of energy. We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production.

    2.4 Government Finance and Spending

    All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.

    2.5 Government Employees

    We favor repealing any requirement that one must join or pay dues to a union as a condition of government employment. We advocate replacing defined-benefit pensions with defined-contribution plans, as are commonly offered in the private sector, so as not to impose debt on future generations without their consent.

    2.6 Money and Financial Markets

    We favor free-market banking, with unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types. Markets are not actually free unless fraud is vigorously combated. Those who enjoy the possibility of profits must not impose risks of losses upon others, such as through government guarantees or bailouts. Individuals engaged in voluntary exchange should be free to use as money any mutually agreeable commodity or item. We support a halt to inflationary monetary policies and unconstitutional legal tender laws.

    2.7 Marketplace Freedom

    Libertarians support free markets. We defend the right of individuals to form corporations, cooperatives and other types of entities based on voluntary association. We oppose all forms of government subsidies and bailouts to business, labor, or any other special interest. Government should not compete with private enterprise.

    2.8 Labor Markets

    Employment and compensation agreements between private employers and employees are outside the scope of government, and these contracts should not be encumbered by government-mandated benefits or social engineering. We support the right of private employers and employees to choose whether or not to bargain with each other through a labor union. Bargaining should be free of government interference, such as compulsory arbitration or imposing an obligation to bargain.

    2.9 Education

    Education is best provided by the free market, achieving greater quality, accountability and efficiency with more diversity of choice. Recognizing that the education of children is a parental responsibility, we would restore authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. Parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children’s education.

    2.10 Health Care

    We favor a free-market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines.

    2.11 Retirement and Income Security

    Retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to a private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. We believe members of society will become even more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.

    3.0 Securing Liberty

    The protection of individual rights is the only proper purpose of government. Government is constitutionally limited so as to prevent the infringement of individual rights by the government itself. The principle of non-initiation of force should guide the relationships between governments.

    3.1 National Defense

    We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.

    3.2 Internal Security and Individual Rights

    The defense of the country requires that we have adequate intelligence to detect and to counter threats to domestic security. This requirement must not take priority over maintaining the civil liberties of our citizens. The Constitution and Bill of Rights shall not be suspended even during time of war. Intelligence agencies that legitimately seek to preserve the security of the nation must be subject to oversight and transparency. We oppose the government’s use of secret classifications to keep from the public information that it should have, especially that which shows that the government has violated the law.

    3.3 International Affairs

    American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world. Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny and defend themselves and their rights. We condemn the use of force, and especially the use of terrorism, against the innocent, regardless of whether such acts are committed by governments or by political or revolutionary groups.

    3.4 Free Trade and Migration

    We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

    3.5 Rights and Discrimination

    Libertarians embrace the concept that all people are born with certain inherent rights. We reject the idea that a natural right can ever impose an obligation upon others to fulfill that “right.” We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant. Government should neither deny nor abridge any individual’s human right based upon sex, wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever standards of association they deem appropriate, and individuals are free to respond with ostracism, boycotts and other free-market solutions.

    3.6 Representative Government

    We support election systems that are more representative of the electorate at the federal, state and local levels. As private voluntary groups, political parties should be free to establish their own rules for nomination procedures, primaries and conventions. We call for an end to any tax-financed subsidies to candidates or parties and the repeal of all laws which restrict voluntary financing of election campaigns. We oppose laws that effectively exclude alternative candidates and parties, deny ballot access, gerrymander districts, or deny the voters their right to consider all legitimate alternatives. We advocate initiative, referendum, recall and repeal when used as popular checks on government.

    3.7 Self-Determination

    Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of individual liberty, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to agree to such new governance as to them shall seem most likely to protect their liberty.

    4.0 Omissions

    Our silence about any other particular government law, regulation, ordinance, directive, edict, control, regulatory agency, activity, or machination should not be construed to imply approval.
  7. NewWave

    NewWave Member

    " We favor a free-market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines."

    and how is care for the minimums arranged, see nothing in the text.
  8. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator


    It all started back in 1971 after Nixon totally blew it.

    On August 15, 1971, President Richard Nixon gave a speech announcing what would be known as his “New Economic Policy.” The speech led directly to the formation of the Libertarian Party.

    In the speech, Nixon announced two measures that were of particular concern to libertarians. First, a government-imposed freeze on wages and prices. Second, an end to the convertibility of dollars to gold.

    Nixon said, “I am today ordering a freeze on all prices and wages throughout the United States for a period of 90 days.”

    Libertarians saw both of these actions as betrayals of the principles on which the United States was founded.

    This speech has often been cited as the critical moment that ignited the formation of the Libertarian Party.

    In his history of the libertarian movement, Radicals for Capitalism, Brian Doherty writes that the late David F. Nolan “was working for an ad agency in Denver and happened to have a handful of libertarian-minded friends over that day when Nixon hit the airwaves with his wage and price controls announcement. They all agreed: It was time for a third party…a Libertarian Party.”

    Nolan and several others formally created the Libertarian Party in Colorado Springs on December 11, 1971.

    Libertarian Party Chair Mark Hinkle commented, “Taking the dollar off the gold standard has allowed the Federal Reserve to manipulate and devalue the dollar, and that’s one reason our economy is in such trouble today. That, coupled with foolish wars and an unsustainable entitlement system supported by both the Democrats and Republicans, is why the Libertarian Party is more important today than ever before.”

    The LP is America’s third-largest political party, founded in 1971. The Libertarian Party stands for free markets, civil liberties, and peace. You can find more information on the Libertarian Party.
  9. NewWave

    NewWave Member

    Here in Europe, Obama was a beloved president, because he could make nice speeches for the public, but he meant little to the Americans and went downhill with the Economy in the USA.

    The entire European media was sure, because their beloved Hilary Clinton would be the winner of the elections .... But the deseption was very big when it turned out that Trump was overcoming ...
    I laughed heartily when it appeared that the complete media was wrong!...LOL !!
    Frankly, sometimes he talks like a farmer, but he has already changed more than Obama did in eight years.

    And now we see here a week expulsions in the USA of the "Dreamers" .. (tonight again on the news)
    Because Obama wanted to give these people a residence permit, Trump is now a culprit in the eyes of the Western media...:icon_angel:

  10. W5HRO

    W5HRO Administrator

    Oh Hans, almost forgot.. 8)